The Artists Workshop at The Clay Hole

You bring the craft. We have the room.

A classroom inside the studio, with long wooden tables, twenty eight stools and its own way in. Independent artists book it for a day or an evening and teach whatever they are good at. We handle the space, the ticket checkout and the event page. The teaching is yours.

This room takes any art or craft that can be done on a table. Glass, fiber, wire, paint, paper, plants, or whatever you already know how to teach. Not pottery. No wheels, no kilns, no clay.

Telling us about your idea is free and does not hold a date. Rates start at $150 for a weekday afternoon.

The Artists Workshop classroom at The Clay Hole in Draper, Utah, two long butcher block tables running toward tall windows with stools along both sides
Who books this room

Makers who already know how to do something

A jeweler with a bench full of pliers. Somebody who has been dyeing fabric for fifteen years. A first time instructor with one project they can teach cold, and the patience to walk a table of ten through it. All three work here.

You do not need a following. You need a project a room of people can actually finish in an afternoon, the supplies to do it, and enough of a plan that nobody spends the session watching. That is the whole list.

What stays yours

  • The craft, the project, and how you teach it.
  • The ticket price and how many seats you put on sale.
  • Your supplies, your tools, your handouts, your process.
  • Every word your attendees hear from you, before and after.
  • Your name and your bio on the event page.

The part people get wrong

We do not fill your seats. That one surprises people. Recruiting is your job, the same as it would be anywhere else. We can put a workshop in front of our members and our social following, and the next section prices that honestly. Past that, a workshop with four people in it is a workshop with four people in it. The rent is the same either way.

The room

What is actually in there

The Artists Workshop is a wing of an operating pottery studio, not a private hall. Members and classes may be working elsewhere in the building while you teach. The room itself is yours. The rest of the building is not.

The Artists Workshop looking toward the slat wall and television, with adjustable height work tables and stools in the foreground
Tables rearrange whichever way your project needs, as long as the room goes back the way you found it.
Close view of the butcher block work tables in the Artists Workshop, each topped with a large gridded cutting mat
Butcher block tops under full length work mats. The mats take ordinary cutting and ordinary mess, and no heat or glue.
Leather lounge chairs and a low table beside the tall windows at the end of the Artists Workshop wing
Seating at the window end, for the people who finish early and the ones waiting on glue to set.

Seats

Twenty eight participant stools plus an instructor table and seat is what we advertise and what we plan around. Six more stools exist, and some activities can use them to reach thirty four, but that is a tighter room and it needs the manager’s approval for your specific project rather than being yours to assume. How much space one person needs with your tools in front of them decides it.

Everyone enrolled takes a seat. That includes a parent working alongside a child, so a parent and child pair is two seats, not one.

Ideas, not a menu

Imagine what you could teach here

Four illustrations, not photographs. They are here to get you thinking, not to fence you in. If it works on a table and you can teach it, we want to hear about it.

Illustration of a possible stained glass workshop, with people cutting colored glass at the Artists Workshop tables Stained glassIllustration. Cutting and foiling are ordinary tabletop work. Any heating device is approved case by case, and open flame never is.
Illustration of a possible terrarium building workshop, with glass vessels, soil and moss laid out on the work tables TerrariumsIllustration. Soil and water need a floor plan and a cleanup route agreed before the date.
Illustration of a possible jewelry making workshop, with beads, wire spools and pliers spread along the tables JewelryIllustration. Small parts and wire ends raise their own cleanup questions, and we will ask about them.
Illustration of a possible tie dye workshop, with squeeze bottles of dye and white shirts across the covered tables Tie dyeIllustration. Dye is a table protection and a cleanup conversation before it is a workshop.

Teaching something else entirely is the normal case. Tell us the process. We will tell you whether the room can hold it.

Who does what

What comes with the room, and what does not

We provide

  • The work tables and stools, rearranged any way you like, as long as the layout goes back.
  • One rolling whiteboard.
  • Hanging electrical outlets above the tables.
  • A speaker and headset, at a volume that works alongside whatever else is running.
  • Six inch banding wheels.
  • Work mats on the tables, within the limits below.
  • An 85 inch television with Apple TV for AirPlay.
  • Approved water and sink access, with one gallon or five gallon buckets as the activity needs.
  • Your own event page and ticket checkout on this website.
  • Promotional codes you ask for, set up so they cannot collide with the referral rules.
  • Optional help filling the seats, through our email list and our social following. Priced in full further down.

You handle

  • The workshop itself: the idea, the plan, the teaching.
  • Every supply and material your project needs.
  • Any specialty equipment, once it has been approved.
  • Table and floor protection suited to what you are doing.
  • Filling the seats.
  • Supervising your participants for the whole session.
  • Everything your attendees need to know: what to bring, where to park, what changed.
  • Cleanup, all of it, finished inside your booking window.

Not included, so nobody finds out on the day

Pottery wheels, kilns, firing, clay, glazes and the rest of the studio’s equipment are not part of this booking. Neither are Wi-Fi, storage between sessions, consumables, or safety equipment specific to your craft. Staff being in the building is not teaching help, event management, technical production or cleanup service. If your workshop needs any of that, ask first and get it in writing. The default is no.

Shelving, bins and work tables along the side wall of the Artists Workshop classroom at The Clay Hole
The shelving and bins along the wall belong to the studio. What is yours to use is the list above. Anything else is a conversation first.
What it costs

Rates, hours and the deposit

One price per approved booking block. The day and the time decide which one you pay. Several dates add up date by date. No package rate.

BlockWhenHow longRate
Daytime, Monday to ThursdayDaytimeUp to 5 hours total$150
Daytime, Friday to SundayDaytimeUp to 5 hours total$350
Evening, Sunday to ThursdayStarts no earlier than 5:00 p.m.Inside the approved window$185
Evening, Friday and SaturdayStarts no earlier than 5:00 p.m.Inside the approved window$300

The five hours are not five hours of teaching

A daytime block is five hours in total, and setup and cleanup come out of it. We suggest teaching for four. That leaves a sensible half hour at each end. The manager approves your exact start and finish.

Evening blocks start no earlier than 5:00 p.m. Your access, your setup and your cleanup all sit inside the window you booked. There is no early access. Asking on the day does not create any.

Evening end times

With hand washing or water cleanup

Every participant is out by 9:30 p.m. You and your helpers can finish approved cleanup after that. The room is restored and everyone is out by 10:00 p.m.

With no water cleanup

Everyone is out, cleanup finished and the room restored, by 10:00 p.m. Which means the teaching has to end early enough to make that possible.

Late checkout costs $60, and it is not an extension

Every started 30 minutes past your approved final checkout time is $60. One minute late is $60. Thirty one minutes late is $120. Evening final checkout is 10:00 p.m., and the 9:30 p.m. participant deadline for wet workshops still stands on its own. Paying the fee does not buy the extra time. It is what happens when the room was needed and you were still in it.

Booking more than one date

One to four approved dates, run together or spread across weeks. Each date is charged at its own day and time rate, so a Tuesday afternoon and a Saturday evening are $150 and $300. Not a package. There is no multi date discount.

Decide early whether you are selling one ticket that covers every session or separate tickets for separate workshops. It changes the refunds, the event page and the arithmetic. The calculator below handles both.

The refundable security deposit

The manager sets your deposit from the approved activity and what it could damage: $150, $250, $350, $500 or $800. It is not a menu. A bigger deposit does not buy an activity we said no to.

  • Fully refundable when the room comes back the way you got it.
  • Held separately from rent, ticket money and anything you earn.
  • No routine processing charge comes out of it.
  • Your quote says plainly whether it covers the whole booking or each date. It is never quietly multiplied.
  • Any deduction is itemized, against documented room condition, and charged once.

Damage beyond the deposit is still yours. If something is genuinely in dispute, only the disputed amount is held back. Not everything you are owed.

Optional promotion, and exactly what it costs

Filling the room is your job. If you want help, we can put your workshop in front of our email list, which runs over 1,000 people, and our social following, which is around 3 million worldwide. Most of those 3 million are nowhere near Draper. It is optional, it starts only after your reservation and payments are done and the campaign is agreed, and it is paid out of ticket revenue rather than up front.

Member and email promotion

A campaign code of its own takes $5 off each eligible ticket. On tickets that code brings in, The Clay Hole takes 40% of the discounted price.

Social promotion

A different code, also $5 off each eligible ticket. On tickets that code brings in, The Clay Hole takes 50% of the discounted price.

How it lands on one ticket

Worked on a $75 ticket with a $5 code. That is an example, not a recommended price for your craft. The commission is taken before the 2.7% payment processing deduction, the processing is taken on the discounted price, and the two are never stacked on top of each other. A ticket carries one commission or none. Never both.

On a $75 ticketCustomer paysCommissionProcessingYou keep
Sold by you, no code$75.00$0.00$2.03$72.97
Member and email code$70.00$28.00$1.89$40.11
Social code$70.00$35.00$1.89$33.11

What you keep is before rent, supplies and everything else you spend. Commission on a refunded ticket is reversed. A refund never leaves you paying commission on money nobody kept.

What we will not promise

Where your workshop appears and when is agreed with you. We will not promise a number of posts, a number of emails, a number of impressions, a number of local prospects or a number of bookings. None of those are ours to guarantee. A follower count is not reach, and it is not a Utah audience, so we are not quoting one here.

Run the numbers

What could a workshop here actually earn

Both calculators run off the same figures, so you enter them once. The first shows what a workshop makes at the attendance you expect. The second shows how few people you can get away with, and what you would have to charge to hit a number you have in mind.

Everything below is an estimate, before any income tax you owe and before any cost you have not typed in. It is not a quote. It does not hold a date. Sales tax follows whatever this store is configured to charge at checkout, and is not modeled here.

Your workshop

Prefilled with one example evening so there is something to look at. Nothing on it is advice. Change every number.

What are you selling
One date, one ticket, one room full of people.
Your dates, each at its own rate
Up to four. Each date is charged on its own day and time.
Where your people came from, and two optional numbers

Leave this alone if you are filling the room yourself. The moment you use one of our promotion codes the arithmetic changes a lot. This is where you see by how much.

You brought the rest yourself

20 of 20 paid seats, at full price, with no commission.

Ticket money after the codes come off$1,500.00
Member and email commission$0.00
Social commission$0.00
Payment processing, 2.7%$40.50
Room rental$185.00
Supplies$300.00
Everything else$0.00
Estimated profit$974.50
$48.73per paid attendee
-an hour, on the hours you entered
20paid tickets in total
Before anyone buys a ticket you are out $485.00 in rent, supplies and other costs, plus a $150.00 refundable deposit. First time hosts are paid after the workshop, so none of the ticket money arrives before then.

How few people can you get away with

Same numbers as above, same recruitment mix. Change anything up there and this moves with it.

Break even at4 people
Comfortably inside the 28 seats the room holds.
$974.50At half the attendance you expect
$974.50At the attendance you expect
$974.50With every seat sold

Each scenario keeps your recruitment mix in the same proportion, then rounds it back to whole people. The parts always add up to the total.

What would you have to charge

Ticket price that gets you there

$86.57

Rounded up to the nearest cent.

It drops your scenario into the form below. An estimate, not a quote, and it reserves nothing.

How a booking happens

From an idea to a room full of people

  1. You tell us what you want to teach

    The form below, or a text. It is free, and it holds nothing. We want the actual process: the tools, the heat if there is any, the water, the mess, how many people, how long. Detail helps you.

  2. The general manager reads it and answers

    Sometimes a yes, sometimes questions, sometimes a no. A no is usually about the process rather than the craft. Better said now than on the day.

  3. You get a quote and a date

    Your dates at their own rates, the deposit for your activity, the room layout, your start and finish times, and any promotion you want. All of it in writing. Nothing moves before that.

  4. You pay the rent and the deposit

    Through the approved host section at the bottom of this page, using the quote you were given. Paying confirms the booking. Nothing before that does.

  5. We build your event page and open ticket sales

    Your title, your description, your photo, your bio, your dates, your price, your capacity. You approve it before it goes on sale.

  6. You teach it, and you clean up

    You handle your people and your room. We handle the checkout, the roster, the waivers and the money.

  7. You get paid

    Your settlement and your deposit refund are both started within five business days of your last session. Your bank decides the rest.

Changing a date, and what happens if it does not fill

One date change, with at least 14 days’ notice, if something else is free. You pay the difference if the new slot costs more. Anyone who cannot make the new date gets refunded. For a course, every affected date and refund is settled first.

If you cancel, or not enough people sign up, the rent is not refunded. Your deposit is separate. It still gets reconciled on its own terms rather than kept as a penalty. Guest tickets are not refundable for attendees who change their minds or do not turn up. Every one of those is said plainly before anyone buys.

If we cannot give you the room, we refund your unused rent, whatever is left of your deposit, and every affected attendee payment. That one is on us.

Look before you ask

Walk the whole studio first

The virtual tour is a 360 walkthrough of all of it, the Artists Workshop included. See the room, the light and where it sits in the building before you write to us.

It will not tell you which door your people come in or which route your cleanup takes. Those get approved for your specific activity. The manager confirms both with you.

Wide view of the Artists Workshop wing at The Clay Hole, with the Artist Workshops sign above the windows and tables set out across the floor
Pitch your workshop

Tell us what you want to teach

This goes to the general manager. It is a request to be looked at, not a reservation. Nothing is held until you have a quote and have paid for it.

The details that decide whether we can approve it

We use what you send here to answer you about this workshop. It signs you up for nothing.

Would rather just text it? Text the studio on 385-441-6379, or email the general manager.

Questions artists actually ask

Before you write to us

Do you fill the seats for me?

No. Recruiting is yours. We can add our members, our email list or our social following through the optional promotion above. That costs 40% or 50% of the discounted ticket, depending which one. Everything else is your work.

What happens if hardly anyone signs up?

The rent is not refunded. That is the honest risk of booking a room. You can move the date once with at least 14 days’ notice if something else is open, and anyone who cannot make the new date gets their money back. Your refundable deposit is separate, and is not kept as a penalty.

If you want a minimum enrollment and a date to decide by, say so while we are agreeing the event. It gets written into your event page before tickets go on sale, rather than being invented afterward.

I have never taught before. Is that a problem?

No. Plenty of good instructors started by teaching one project they knew cold. What matters is that the project can be finished in the time you are selling, that you have enough supplies, and that you have thought about what a table of people will be doing at every point in the session. A following is not a requirement. We do not screen on it.

Can children come?

Workshops in The Artists Workshop are open to age 10 and over. Every participant under 18 must have a parent or legal guardian enrolled in the same workshop, actively working alongside them for every session. A parent sitting elsewhere in the studio does not count, and these are not drop off workshops.

Both are on the roster, both take a seat, and both complete the agreement. A parent and child pair is two tickets at the event’s own price. No free parent tickets. No parent and child bundles.

Age is judged on the day of the workshop. If your activity needs a higher age, more skill or particular supervision, that gets approved and written on the event page before anything goes on sale. It can only raise the floor, never lower it.

How is this different from the pottery side of the studio?

Different offering, different minimums. The rules do not cross over, and these three are kept apart on purpose.

  • An Artists Workshop here: age 10 and over, and a participant under 18 needs a parent or legal guardian enrolled in that same workshop and working alongside them.
  • A pottery class guest pass: age 14 and over, and a guest aged 14 to 17 needs a parent or legal guardian present and directly supervising the class.
  • A pottery membership: a member under 18 needs a parent or legal guardian enrolled as a member alongside them.

The workshop minimum of 10 belongs to this room only. It lowers neither of the others.

How long do I actually get?

A daytime block is five hours in total and setup and cleanup come out of it, which is why we suggest teaching for four. Evening blocks start no earlier than 5:00 p.m. and everything happens inside the window you booked. There is no early access.

If your evening workshop involves hand washing or water cleanup, participants are out by 9:30 p.m. and you can finish cleanup until 10:00 p.m. If it does not, everyone including you is out by 10:00 p.m. Late checkout is $60 for every started half hour. Paying it is not the same as being allowed to stay.

How clean does the room have to be?

The way you found it. Tables, mats and equipment clean, waste out through the approved route, buckets rinsed and back, floor swept and mopped where your activity needed it, every shard and sliver off the surfaces, tables and equipment in their original places, and everything you brought taken away. No exceptions.

We document the room’s condition before you start, preexisting marks included, so nothing already there lands on you. Not meeting the room restoration requirement ends future booking eligibility. One standard, not a running tally.

When do I get paid?

Your final settlement and your deposit refund are both started within five business days of your last session. Started is not landed. Your bank or card decides the rest.

You also get a statement. Ticket receipts, discounts, promotion commissions, the 2.7% processing, refunds, any advance, anything we were authorized to offset, and the deposit reconciled on its own.

First time hosts are paid after the workshop. Returning hosts may be approved for an advance of up to 50% of eligible net ticket money collected at the time we take the snapshot, no earlier than ten days before the first session, with the balance at settlement. It is approved case by case. Nothing about it is automatic.

Can I store my supplies between sessions?

Not unless it is approved in writing for your booking. The default is simple. Everything you brought leaves when you do.

Will the studio be quiet?

Probably not. This is a designated area inside a working studio, and members or classes may be going on elsewhere while you teach. We are not renting you the whole building. Your volume has to work alongside whatever else is running.

The rules in full

Studio policies for The Artists Workshop

All of it, in plain language. The binding versions are the Guest Pass and Workshop Participant Agreement your attendees sign, and the host agreement you sign with us.

Approval, and what is never allowed

Every activity is approved on its real process, materials, tools and room needs. A larger deposit changes none of that.

  • No alcohol brought, served, consumed or promoted as part of a workshop. Alcohol can end a session on the spot.
  • No flame torches, propane flames, welding torches or anything comparable.
  • No power equipment. Controlled tabletop heating, such as parts of stained glass work, can be approved specifically, and approval covers that process only.
  • Noise and amplification stay compatible with everything else running in the building.

Life drawing with nude models needs its own approval and has to run during the day or on an evening with no other classes. The manager also approves the privacy and access arrangements. An empty schedule is not a private room.

Before approving, the manager goes through heat, adhesives, dyes, fumes, dust, sharp fragments, electrical load, water, waste disposal, participant ages, supervision and any accommodation needs. Ventilation, accessibility features and support equipment are never assumed. If it was not confirmed for your activity, it was not promised.

Ages and parent participation

Workshops are open to participants age 10 or older. Every participant under 18 must have a parent or legal guardian separately enrolled in the same workshop, actively participating and working alongside them throughout every session. A parent elsewhere in the studio is not enough, and these are not drop off workshops.

Both the child and the enrolled parent or legal guardian appear on the roster, hold their own seat, and complete the applicable agreement.

The pottery side of the studio runs on its own minimums and this one does not change them. A pottery class guest pass stays at age 14 or older, with a parent or legal guardian present and directly supervising a guest aged 14 to 17. A pottery membership for anyone under 18 needs a parent or legal guardian enrolled as a member alongside them. Age is judged on the date of participation. Any extra age, skill, equipment or supervision requirement for your activity is approved and disclosed before purchase, and it can only raise a minimum, never lower one.

Access, supervision and routes

You supervise your participants and keep them on the designated entrance and the approved paths. Participants do not pass through the workshop doorway into the restricted warehouse and member shelf area. That one is absolute.

Bathroom sinks are for ordinary restroom hand washing, not for washing art supplies or hands covered in workshop materials. Cleanup uses only the facilities and route approved for your activity.

We can require a disruptive, intoxicated, unruly or excessively loud attendee to leave.

Work mats, tables and floors

Mats come back clean and undamaged. They take appropriate cutting and ordinary workshop mess. No heat, no glue, nothing that leaves a permanent residue. You can take the mats off, and if you do, the wooden tops get approved protection instead. Floors get whatever protection your activity needs.

The checkout list
  • Tables, mats and approved equipment clean.
  • Workshop waste and leftover materials out through the approved disposal process.
  • Buckets rinsed and returned.
  • Floor swept and mopped as far as your activity needs.
  • Shards and slivers off every surface, using the approved method and the right equipment. Confirm what that takes before your date rather than on it.
  • Equipment and tables back where they started.
  • Every supply and every project taken with you, unless storage was approved in writing.
  • Staff checkout done before your deadline.

The standard is the room in the condition you received it, with anything preexisting documented at the start. Failing to meet it ends future booking eligibility.

Deposits, damage and settlement

Deposits are $150, $250, $350, $500 or $800, set by the manager from the approved activity and the property at risk, and your quote says whether it covers the whole booking or each date.

The deposit is fully refundable on the stated conditions. It is held apart from rent, ticket money and estimated profit, and no routine processing charge is taken out of it. Deductions are itemized against the documented room condition and applied once: against the deposit first, with anything beyond it handled under your host agreement and final settlement. Damage past the deposit is still yours. If an amount is genuinely in dispute, only that amount is held back.

Final payouts and deposit refunds are initiated within five business days of the last session, with a settlement statement covering ticket receipts, discounts, promotion commissions, the 2.7% processing, refunds, any advance, authorized offsets, and the deposit reconciled separately.

Cancellations, changes and attendee refunds

Rent is not refunded when you cancel or when not enough people enroll, apart from the single rescheduling option. Deposits are different. They are reconciled on their own terms rather than kept as a cancellation penalty.

One date change with at least 14 days’ notice, subject to availability, and you pay any higher rate. Attendees who cannot make the replacement date are refunded. For a multi session course, every affected date and refund is confirmed before the change is made.

Guest tickets are not refundable for attendee cancellations or no shows, apart from canceled sessions and that rescheduling exception, and this is said before anyone buys. When a session is canceled, guests get back everything they paid for it, including applicable taxes and mandatory charges, and commission on refunded tickets is reversed. A course sold as one ticket has its price allocated across sessions in the approved event details before sales open, so a partial cancellation refunds consistently.

If we cannot provide the room, we refund your unused rent, the remaining refundable deposit and the affected attendee payments. If you cancel, rent stays non refundable. Ticket processing costs the processor does not return are borne by whichever party canceled.

Who talks to your attendees

You do. Workshop questions, preparation instructions, reminders, schedule changes and follow up are yours, and the event page names you and your support contact. Attendees get their purchase receipts and the necessary platform messages from us. We contact them directly when payments, refunds, safety or venue operations require it.

Buying a ticket adds nobody to a marketing list.

The agreements

Every adult participant signs the Guest Pass and Workshop Participant Agreement for themselves. A purchaser buying several tickets does not sign for the other adults. For a participant aged 10 to 17, the enrolled parent or legal guardian completes the consent for them, and a separate agreement for their own participation.

You sign a separate host agreement with us covering your rental, deposit, promotion, cleanup and settlement. Nothing in the participant agreement moves those onto an attendee.

Approved hosts only

Pay for a booking you have already arranged

This part is not for pitching. It is for artists whose workshop, dates, times, activity and deposit have already been agreed with the general manager, and whose signed host agreement is already back with us. Not had that conversation yet? The form above is where to start.

Nothing here holds a date on its own

Two things happen first, in this order.

  1. Your signed host agreement is back with us

    The general manager sends you a copy customized for your booking, with your dates, your rates, your deposit, your capacity and your insurance election already filled into the Booking Schedule. You sign that one. The reference copy on this site is there to read in full beforehand. It cannot be signed.

  2. We give you the go-ahead

    Once your agreement is in and the booking is approved, we tell you plainly that you are clear to pay. That message opens this section for you. Nothing else does.

Paying before both of those have happened does not reserve anything. We refund it and the date stays open to everyone else.

What you are agreeing to when you pay

  • Rental is not refundable if you cancel or enrollment falls short, apart from the one rescheduling option.
  • The deposit is fully refundable on the stated conditions, and is reconciled separately from everything else.
  • Every attendee is our guest and client, ticketed through this website. Selling admission any other way ends the booking.
  • Promotion commission is optional and only applies if you agreed a campaign: 40% member and email, 50% social, on the discounted ticket.
  • 2.7% payment processing comes off ticket receipts, after commission and never compounded with it.
  • Payouts and deposit refunds start within five business days of your last session. Your bank decides the rest.

Who this booking is for

Both lines below carry these onto your order. It is how we match a payment to a booking without guessing.

Line one of two

Room rental

One line per approved date, each at the rate on your quote. Mixed daytime and evening dates stay separate.

Your approved dates
Up to four. Each date is charged on its own day and time.
Room rental, 1 date$185.00
Rental total$185.00

This part is not refundable if you cancel or enrollment falls short, apart from the one rescheduling option.

Line two of two

Refundable security deposit

The amount the general manager set for your activity. It is not a choice. Your quote says whether it covers the whole booking or each date.

Refundable security deposit$150.00
Deposit total$150.00

Fully refundable when the room comes back the way you got it. Held apart from rent and ticket money, with no processing charge taken out of it.

Rental $185.00 plus deposit $150.00 is $335.00 in total. $150.00 of that is the refundable deposit and $185.00 is the rental, which is not refundable.

Those boxes are a record, not a lock. Whether a booking is really approved is decided by your signed agreement and by us. Not by this page.